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Offline Susanth

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Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« on: February 26, 2007, 10:44:43 PM »
Lord Murugan is sometimes depicted with 2 Consorts (Sri Valli & Sri Deivannai)

Is there a philosophy behind this?
Is it true that HE has 2 consorts?

Isn't a bad message being sent to people?

What are your views on this?
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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 12:12:24 AM »
Lord Murugan being depicted with 2 consorts has high philosophical and spiritual values and meanings..

We shouldn't think of HIM being with 2 consorts, We should see HIM being depicted with 2 Shakthis.(3 Shakthis actually, as i will explain in a moment)

Sri Valli- Icha Sakthi
Sri Deivannai- Kriya Sakthi
HIS Vel- Gnana Sakthi

Thus, Lord Murugan should be viewed as being depicted with 3 powerful forms of Sakthis..

Also,
Sri Deivannai represents the Heavenly connection, while Sri Valli represents the Earthly connection. So what this means is, Lord Murugan is the GOD for both the Heavenly Gods,Devargal and also the GOD for the Earthly beings like us.. So basically, it would mean that HE is everywhere, Ishwara.
They also illustrate the link between Heaven and Earth through God's grace.

Furthermore,
Lord Murugan's "marriage" (if u notice, "marriage" is in inverted commas) to Sri Deivannai, represents the Atman (The Soul, present in everyone of us) seeking the union with the Supreme God and HIS "marriage" with Sri Valli signifies, the Supreme coming to us, due to HIS grace, to unite with our Atman. In other words, God HIMself coming to us.

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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2007, 10:38:02 AM »
Ic...ic....

But the question now will be why represent this Sakthi's in the form of "wives"?

I mean polygamy is a taboo subject in India as much as it is in many parts of the world. The Indian culture doesn't promote it...although like Susanh said its not exactly "marriage" but stories clearly depict at least a small amount of 'romance"...

Then why would an Hindu God be depicted with 2 wives/consorts?

Ok your 1st part says his Vel(spear) is a form of Shakthi?

Why couldn't there have been other representations of the Icha and Kriya (what does this mean anyway?) Shakthi......did it have to be 2 females(pretty good looking ones somemore)...

I mean why was it that the 2 shakthi's were not represented by say.......like the Snake on Lord Siva....or perhaps another "weapon"....or perhaps even a child....

The question is why 2 women..... yes its supposed to be more than meets the eye.....its a philosophical and spiritual representation.....

But....why 2 "wives"......

(furthermore most Tamil movies that shows a man with 2 wives is always suffering....never seen one that is depicted as being happy....maybe its to say that unless ur a God don't even dream of getting 2 wahaha...)

Madha

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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 11:38:58 AM »
haha.

If you look at the various forms of God,(God is formless, but we humans, give HIM a form for various reasons(which can be a topic by itself btw!)) various philosophies have been represented in different ways.

For example, hmmm, Sri Aanjenayar depicting the control of the "monkey"-like mind, dissolving negative thoughts and keeping the mind intune with God AND the snake held at the legs of Lord Murugan's vahanam, the peacock, also represents the control of the human mind, doing away of any negative thoughts.

Different representations to represent philosophies in different ways..

And according to our culture, tradition and even in Hindu Philosophy, females are highly respected and at times are given the kind of respect God gets.
Amman is also known as "Sakthi(Power)"
This could link up to why females are used to represent Sakthi.

Further to this, I`m sure they have other good reasons for this representation as well.

And it is also probably our Human mind which always links a female figure beside anyone as the wife?!

Our Puranams, do depict Gods being married and all. But once again, we have to explore what a puranam actually is. Hindu philosophies and sciences, can become complex and not all can understand and appreciate it easily.
Simply put, Puranams are "Hindu philosophies that are made into a story-like form by Great Rishis/Siddhars.." so that it reaches a wider range of people, from scholars to the illiterate men and women as well as kids.

You can't go to a kid and explain to him Dharma/Karma and all. But if you tell it in a story-like form, the message gets across very much easily.

Offline Priya J

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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 12:24:34 AM »
Hi everyone,

As Madha's question goes, what is Icha and Kriya? I know he consortiums of Kanthan represent Power of Knowledge and Power of Action. Which one is which, I don't know. Can anyone pls explain if I am correct in saying this?

~Priya~

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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 12:29:05 AM »
"And it is also probably our Human mind which always links a female figure beside anyone as the wife?!" - Very true...

In my opinion, I see that almost every God is associated with a form of Shakthi. Even in the north India, Lord Ganesha supposedly has two Shakthi forms associated with Him and they are called Siddhi and Buddhi... Lord Aanjaneyar, when he opens his chest and shows, we see Lord Ramar and Seeta together.. Again, Lord Aanjaneyar is associated with a Shakthi form...

Lord Shiva is associated with two Shakthi forms, One is Parvati and the other is the Ganges situated on top of His head.. And also when we talk about "marriage", it is in the context of divine union.. which is NOT the same as the kind of union we talk about it our Kali Yuga!! Haha.. It COMPLETELY different... Keep this in mind always when we talk about Gods and their consorts. Do read up more to understand this! What Susanth explained is good enuf.. =)

~Priya~

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Re: Lord Murugan depicted with 2 consorts
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 11:28:41 AM »
This is how the symbolism works..

Sri Valli        --> Itcha Sakthi
Vel              --> Jnana Sakthi
Sri Deivannai --> Kriya Sakthi

What this signifies is.. To be able to achieve something, you first need the desire for it (Itcha Sakthi). You will then need to acquire the knowledge (Jnana Sakthi) to acquire it. With actions (Kriya Sakthi), we will be able to then, achieve it.

When we express heartfelt devotion to Lord Murugan, He'll give us the Sakthi to desire for the right things and the ability, with His Grace to achieve them(be it material or spiritual goals). He'll guide you through the journey and support you when needed.
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